Brake/JFS Accumulators

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Brake/JFS Accumulators

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Re paidia,as upothesoume oti vriskomaste se flameout landing,kai sugkekrimena me kammeno "kserameno" kinhthra(ENG FAULT) pou exei kapsei olo to fuel,petame kai xamhla.Kanonika,den prepei na dokimasoume START 2,afou den uparxei fuel,kai epeidh upotithetai oti ta brake/jfs accumulators tha adeiasoun(petame kai xamhla ara duskola tha gemisoun).Olo auto tha to kanoume(den tha pathsoume START 2) etsi wste na exoume wheelbrakes.Tha mou pei twra kapoios oti to jfs/brake system anhkei sto HYD B,pou to HYD B exei pesei.Nai alla exoume th dunatothta na frenaroume ean oi brake/jfs subiestes einai gematoi.Swsta?
Ela pou sto falcon molis katavaineis sto diadromo den exeis wheelbrakes.
Giati shmbainei ayto?Kanw kati lathos?
Xrhsimopoiw SP3,mhpws ftaiei auto?Den exei ginei to analogo update sto sp3?Sugnwmh gia ta polla logia.
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Gia na mhn vlepw apanthsh,profanws einai fault tou falcon...
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File Low gia na mhn blepeis apanthsh mallon shmainei oti oi perissoteroi loipoyn se diakopes h exoun phksei sth douleia!!!

Epeidh me mperdepses ligaki me ola ayta (einai kai to mialo mou phgmeno apo th douleia! :evil: ...) as ta piasoume apo thn arxh gia na se bohthiso ligaki! :wink:

Katarxhn na ksekatharisoume kapoies leitourgies toy a/fous:::
Otan o kinhthras douleyei kanonika tote dinei kapoies zotikes leitourgies sto F-16. Ayto shmainei hlektriko reyma, pepiesmeno aera kai kinhsh sta ydraylika systhmata. Pio sygkekrimena gia ta ydraylika poy mas endiaferoun: O kinhthras dinei kinhsh se 2 aneksarthtes mhxanikes antlies poy apoteloun kai to polyploko ydrayliko systhma toy F-16, to HYD A kai to HYD B. To HYD A dinei ydraylikh piesh gia to open/close ton aerofrenon kai gia thn kinhsh ths FFP (ths ydraylikhs antlias kaysimon prin ton kinhthra). To HYD B dinei piesh gia to open/close toy systhmatos prosgeioshs, gia to NWS (to stripshmo toy rinieoy nose wheel dhl sto edafos gia thn odhghsh toy a/fous), gia thn energopoihsh toy Drug Chute, gia thn kinhsh toy eksakanou peristrofikou Gun Vulcan, gia to open/close toy Aerial Refeulling port sthn raxh tis atraktou, gia ta frena ton kyrios troxon sto edafos kai gia to rejarge tou JSF otan to F-16 einai sto edafos... Telos kai ta 2 systhmata syndramnoyn parallhla kai taytoxrona kai gia thn paroxh pieshs stis epifaneies elegxou tou a/fous (flaps, elevators kai rudder) kai gia to hook.

Se periptosh poy yparksei blabh / meiosh strofon ston kinhthra (dhl amesh apoleia kai ton 2 systhmaton HYD A kai B logo mh metadoshs ths mhxanikhs kinhshs stis 2 antlies) tote yparxei san efedriko-bohthitiko systhma to EPU (Emergency Power Unit) poy pernei mpros aytomata ekeinh thn ora... Ayto einai mia megalh kylindrikh fiali topothethmenh sthn atrakto deksia kai piso apo to cockpit toy F-16 poy periexei Ydrazinh, ena toksiko kai karkinogodes xhmiko ygro. Otan to EPU mpei se leitourgia, h ydrazinh ''kaigetai'' kai ektononetai (opos px diogkonetai kai h soda otan erthei se epafh me to nero!...) dinontas kinhsh me th bohtheia ths katallhlhs syndesmologias se mia anltia poy paragei ydraylikh piesh kai th dioxeteyei sto systhma HYD A kai kateythian stis epifaneies elegxou toy a/fous... (epishs paragei kai dinei kai reyma). To EPU exei ''kaysimo'' (ydrazinh) gia 10 lepta peripoy leitourgeias eno opos eipa parapano mpainei se leitourgia mono toy aytomata otan ''dei'' anekshghth meiosh ton strofon toy kinhthra kato apo to relanti-Idle Power (px engine stall, eisrofhsh poulion-FOD, flame out, fuel out ktl...). O pilotos pantos mporei na elenksei th leitourgia ths EPU apo to antistoixo panel sto cockpit (opos kai sto Falcon4!) kai na diakopsei th leitourgia ths h na thn kanei open manually any time...

Tora, to JSF einai allo: einai 2 ''mpoukales'' poy xreishmopoiountai gia thn ekkinhsh tou kinhthra meso antistoixhs ektonoshs, gia thn ypernikish ths arxikhs adraneias toy systhmatos aksona kinhthra-fan-turbine logo barous. O xeirisths epilegei JSF start 1 h 2 gia na epileksei thn ''ektonosh'' ths 1 mono h kai ton 2 fialon taytoxrona kai analoga me tis kairikes synthikes, thermokrasia atmosfairas, barometrikh piesh ktl... Synhthos epilegoun kai tis 2 gia logous sigourias!... An gia kapoio logo aftes adeiasoun ston aera (px accidentally apo to xeiristh, = kampana!!!) tote tha ksanagemisoun mones tous meta apo 1 peripou lepto pthshs kai tha einai etoimes gia epanaxrhsimopoihsh... Sto edafos einai pio... dyskolh diadikasia kai apaithte to... tromparisma se mia balbida apo kapoion texniko gia kamposh ora!!!... Telos exe ypopsin oti to JSF DEN exei kamia sxesh me ta brakes!!!

Sto paradeigma poy anafereis tora me bash kai osa sou anefera:
Enan sou teleiosoun ta kaysima ston aera thn ora ths epistrofhs sth bash gia prosgeiosh (flameout landing), tote tha... to katalabeis sigoura :lol: afou tha sbhsei o kinhthras!!!... Den aposkopei se tipota na kaneis JSF Start 1 or 2 giati den exeis kaysima na anaflekseis ton kinhthra sou kai na diathrhshs thn kaysh kai thn kinhsh toy!!! (Epipleon gia na kaneis successfull restart ton kinhthra ston aera tha prepei na eisai kato apo ta 25000 ft kai me mikroterh taxythta apo 400 ktns...)

Opote, me to poy sbhsei o kinhthras, xaneis amesos ysxh sta HYD A kai B... Opos ephshs kai AMESOS tha ''anapsei'' mono toy to EPU, AN exeis ton antistoixo diakopth sto cockpit sth thesh NORM (aytomato dhl) kai tha dosei ysxh sto HYD A systhma (dhl h ptosh tis pieshs sto HYD A einai stigmiaia kai anepaisthth...) opos kai kanonika stis epifaneies elenxou opos eipa kai parapano... Opote gia 10 lepta peripou tha exeis elenxo ton elevators, ton flaps, toy rudder toy hook kai ton airbrakes... Tha dinetai ysxhs kai kinhsh kai sthn antlia kaysimou FFP alla anofela giati den tha exeis kaysima!!! Epipleon exeis diathesimo kai ton moxlo Landing Gear Release gia na katebei kai na asfalhsei me to baros toy to landing gear... Den tha exeis elenxo se tipota apo ayta poy egrapsa sthn arxh gia to HYD B, metaksy ayton kai ton frenon, toy Drug Chute kai toy NWS steering!... Poy shmainei oti an tha katafereis na fereis to F-16 se final aproach sthn arxh toy diadromou, tha prepei na prospathiseis na meineis pano sto diadromo kanontas aero-braking (kratontas pshla thn myth stis 11-13 moires) mexri na pesei h taxythta sou, kai asfalos na exeis arketo diadromo mprosta sou gia asfaleia afoy den exeis brakes!...

Elpizo na se bohthisa ligo gia to pos ''doyleyei'' to prama...

Opote mhn fobase, den einai bug... its just our Flight Simulator!!! :wink:
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Kai mias anaferthike to flame out landing,


Epixeiroume prosgeiosi me 6 AoA exontas toso ypsos osi i apostasi apo to runway. Px 5NM short of Runway, 5000ft. Epeidi praktika sto HUD to AoA metrietai os i diafora tou gun cross apo to FPM, peri ta 3000ft, vazoume FPM stis 11 deg kai to gun cross stis 5 deg etsi oste i diafora na einai 6 AoA. Maneta den paizei katholou (no fuel) opote paizoun elafra yo-yo kai brakes (HYD A). Katevainoume etsi kai sta 500ft apo to threshold anevenoume gia to touch down pou sinithos einai vary. Thelei arketi eksaskisi


PS: To manual toy SP3 grafei gia ta HYD A kai B
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Mystic to SP3 manual ta leei polu epifaneiaka.Raptor hsoun polu analutikos!!
Alla na sou kanw kapoies dieukriniseis!!!
HYD A: 50% LEF'S,50% RUDDER,50% HORIZONTAL TAILS,50%FLAPERONS,100% SPEEDBRAKES,100%FFP.
HYD B: 100% ola:LG SYSTEM,NWS,DRAG CHUTE SYSTEM,GUN SYSTEM,AR SYSTEM,BRAKE SYSTEM,JFS SYSTEM.50% LEFS,RUDDER,HORIZONTAL TAILS,FLAPERONS.
Alla to jfs system kai to brake system,enw einai aneksarthta,sundeontai me 2 brake/jfs accumulators meta apo ena dump kai relief manifold.Epishs ean pesei to HYD B,tha exoume kai drag chute,afou kai gia to drag chute uparxei accumulator.Epishs gia air-restart einai na vriskesai katw apo 20000ft,oxi 25000ft.

uuuuuuuuufffffffff!!!!!
Elpizw na se epeisa!!!!

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A!!!Raptor ksexasa na sou pw.Ekshgeis lathos to JFS system.
Raptor allo to JFS,kai allo to JFS accumulator(ousiastika Brake/JFS accumulator.To JFS einai enas mikros kinhthras (gas turbine) pou leitourgei xrhsimopoiwntas to kausimo tou afous.To jfs einai prosarmosmeno ston Accesory Drive Gearbox(ADG an exeis akousta) dinontas diamesw autou peristrofikh isxi gia na ekkinhsei o kinhthras.
Tha sou pw analutika.Kata thn diadikasia ths ekkinhshs oi 2 accumulators(brake/jfs) peristefoun ton udrauliko kinhthtra ekkinhshs(HSM).Tautoxrona anpoigoun tis thirides eisagwghs aera kai kausaeriwn.Me th seira tou to HSM parexei peristrofikh isxu sto JFS gia na ekkinhsei.Enas sublekths CLUCH ,pou vrisketai sto ADG,ebleketai kai metaferei thn peristrofikh isxu pou paragetai apo to JFS se ena meiwthra strofwn(Torque converter) kai apo ekei mesw tou aksona PTO(power takeoff) peristrefetai to gearbox tou kinhthra,kai telika o idios o kinhthras.
Kai fugame!!!
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Raptor sorry gia ta polla logia,kai sorry gia ta diasparta posts!!!
Alla diavazw to post sou prosektika kai(an epitrepetai)"diorthonw".Den thelw na psixrathoume se periptwsh diafonias,egw olo auto to vlepw filika kai oloi prospathoume gia to kalytero ths e-haf.

Oso anafora thn EPU,auth energopieitai otan kai sta 2 udraulika susthmata pesei h piesh katw apo 1000 psi.Energopoieitai epishs an ginei kati strava me tis genhtries MAIN kai STBY,den thimamai ti akrivws prepei na ginei.H EPU xrhsimopiei BLEED AIR apo ton kinhthra h udrazinh,an kai kanonika kai sunithws(sth pragmatikothta)to BLEED AIR ftanei gia na leitourghsei h EPU.An den eparkei o BLEED AIR tote ginetai xrhsh udrazinhs.H udrazinh xrhsimopoieitai panta otan h EPU pairnei entolh na ekkinhsei.Me to susthma se leitourgia, h udrazinh prowtheitai me piesh azwtou apo ena suswreuth sto thalamo diaspashs,kai tote ta aeria feugoun apo to afos.
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Epishs gia to diakopth ths EPU(diavase prosektika):
Ean eisai sto edafos kai thn valeis se thesh OFF tote stamataei h leitourgeia ths.Ston aera,an einai se thesh OFF kai exoun pesei ta HYD A kai HYD B katw apo 1000psi ,douleuei pali,EKTOS kai an exei parameinei se thesh OFF apo tote pou to afos vriskotan sto edafos.Dhladh an htan se thesh OFF tote pou apogeiwthike to afos,kai meta allaksoume to diakopth se NORM kai meta pali OFF,kai argotera pesoun ta HYD A+B, tote tha doulepsei h EPU.Periergo e??Sto falcon den kserw an ginetai.
An twra einai se thesh NORM,to susthma einai oplismeno na doulepsei,EKTOS omws thn periptwsh na pesoun pali ta HYD A+B kai to afos vrisketai sto edafos.Tote den energopieitai.Den kserw an me katalavaineis.
Twra se thesh ON h EPU douleuei anagastika oti k an ginetai.

Elpizw na hmoun katanohtos oso ginetai,giati tetoia themata den lunontai eukola apo pc se pc.
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LantirN έγραψε:A!!!Raptor ksexasa na sou pw.Ekshgeis lathos to JFS system.
Raptor allo to JFS,kai allo to JFS accumulator(ousiastika Brake/JFS accumulator.To JFS einai enas mikros kinhthras (gas turbine) pou leitourgei xrhsimopoiwntas to kausimo tou afous.To jfs einai prosarmosmeno ston Accesory Drive Gearbox(ADG an exeis akousta) dinontas diamesw autou peristrofikh isxi gia na ekkinhsei o kinhthras.
Tha sou pw analutika.Kata thn diadikasia ths ekkinhshs oi 2 accumulators(brake/jfs) peristefoun ton udrauliko kinhthtra ekkinhshs(HSM).Tautoxrona anpoigoun tis thirides eisagwghs aera kai kausaeriwn.Me th seira tou to HSM parexei peristrofikh isxu sto JFS gia na ekkinhsei.Enas sublekths CLUCH ,pou vrisketai sto ADG,ebleketai kai metaferei thn peristrofikh isxu pou paragetai apo to JFS se ena meiwthra strofwn(Torque converter) kai apo ekei mesw tou aksona PTO(power takeoff) peristrefetai to gearbox tou kinhthra,kai telika o idios o kinhthras.
Kai fugame!!!

Kati pou den to exo psaksei. Isos to exeis diavasei. Afora tin teleutaia paragrafo.

Os gnoston o turbofan apoteleitai apo ton fan, dyo shafts, burner room, turbine, fan turbine, AB kai nozzle.

Se ramp start, o Torque converter ti gurizei prota? to 1o shaft? dld tin main turbine?
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Mystic den eimai 100% sigouros oti tha sou apanthsw akrivws auto pou thes giati me berdepses ligo.
Esy an katalava swsta mou les diasparta kommatia apo olo to susthma kinhthras(pou eipes fan,2 shafts,burner room,turbine,fan turbine,AB kai nozzle).Auta mou fainontai ligo anakatemena.
Katarxas o kinhthras apoteleitai xontrika apo:INLET FAN MODULE,CORE ENGINE MODULE,FAN DRIVE TURBINE MODULE,AB MODULE(h alliws AUGMENTOR MODULE),kai to GEARBOX MODULE.
Twra gia thn erwthsh,den katalavainw ti les gia 1o shaft.Egw den gnwrizw ta shaft arithmhmena.Kserw to PTO shaft,kai to POWER shaft.O torque converter mesw tou PTO shaft peristrefei to Gearbox tou kinhthra.Me liga logia o TC kinei prwta to PTO shaft an to thes etsi.Meta pou tha parei to Gearbox,xondrika-xondrika,pairnei h fan drive turbine bros.
Elpizw na apanthsa sthn erwthsh sou,alla k egw mhn ksexnas oti den eimai mhxanikos!!
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ok, to idio prama leme.
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wraia :D

Mystic,kai genika pros olous,mhpws ksereis/kserete pws boroume na epikoinwnhsoume me kapoion "falcon patch creator",etsi wste opwte vriskoume bugs na ta anaferoume??
Etsi olo tha ginetai kai pio koryfaio to falcon mas..
An kai to vlepw ligo duskolo...kalo tha htan..
Egw ksenerwsa me to brake system...allazei teleiws h fash an htan swsto..skeftesai teleiws diaforetika ston aera,exeis kapoies epiloges parapanw,,,enw twra eisai"xamenos"giati standard exeis vgei ektos diadromou..kai genika se polla themata tha ginetai pio omorfo..
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www.freefalcon.com

Pigaine sto forum kai anefere o,ti thes.


Ego pali, den ksenerono katholou.


Re Lantirn, ego giati exo frena....
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Sto logo sou exeis frena?????
Ti xrhshmopoieis????
Egw exw sp3 sketo akoma logw tou kakou pc.
Tha mou kaneis mia xarh meta???
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Sp3 sketo? Paliose.


FF3+Bms2.0 Mia fora dokimasa. Tha ksanadokimaso
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